[dart-misc] Why doesn't Dart get any love on Google Cloud?

[Danny Tuppeny]

App Engine's "standard environment" supports Python, Java, PHP and Go and
the "Flexible environment" says the "supported" languages are Python, Java,
Node.js, Go, Ruby, PHP, or .NET. Cloud Functions (beta) is nodejs only.

Given Dart's apparent popularity in Google (and the fact that it was
created by Google), it's weird to see Ruby, PHP and even .NET listed as
supported languages on a Google platform with Dart nowhere to be seen.

Dart seems like a natural fit for things like App Engine and Cloud
Functions! Are the reasons technical? political? Is Dart not Mature enough?
Is this likely to change anytime soon?

[Mark Nordine]

Noticed the same thing on that announcement. Seems absurd and very
disappointing.

Post by Danny Tuppeny
App Engine's "standard environment" supports Python, Java, PHP and Go and
the "Flexible environment" says the "supported" languages are Python, Java,
Node.js, Go, Ruby, PHP, or .NET. Cloud Functions (beta) is nodejs only.
Given Dart's apparent popularity in Google (and the fact that it was
created by Google), it's weird to see Ruby, PHP and even .NET listed as
supported languages on a Google platform with Dart nowhere to be seen.
Dart seems like a natural fit for things like App Engine and Cloud
Functions! Are the reasons technical? political? Is Dart not Mature enough?
Is this likely to change anytime soon?

[Michael Francis]

I think server side Dart just hasn't become popular yet. It's really
lacking in support. Not necessarily the language itself but libraries. The
different database libraries are very minimally supported. I don't think
the MySQL client has been updated in a good long while.

I really wish that weren't the case. If Google wanted to pay me 100k a year
I'd gladly maintain such libraries. :P

Michael Francis
MichaelSFrancis.com

Post by Mark Nordine
Noticed the same thing on that announcement. Seems absurd and very
disappointing.

Post by Danny Tuppeny
App Engine's "standard environment" supports Python, Java, PHP and Go and
the "Flexible environment" says the "supported" languages are Python, Java,
Node.js, Go, Ruby, PHP, or .NET. Cloud Functions (beta) is nodejs only.
Given Dart's apparent popularity in Google (and the fact that it was
created by Google), it's weird to see Ruby, PHP and even .NET listed as
supported languages on a Google platform with Dart nowhere to be seen.
Dart seems like a natural fit for things like App Engine and Cloud
Functions! Are the reasons technical? political? Is Dart not Mature enough?
Is this likely to change anytime soon?

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[Danny Tuppeny]

Post by Michael Francis
I think server side Dart just hasn't become popular yet.

Maybe if it was available in more places it'd become popular faster =)

Google (presumably) want people to pick Dart over Node.. Having services
where Node works and Dart does not probably isn't helping the cause. Why
would you pick something that severely limits your options for hosting it?

[Günter Zöchbauer]

Not they promote that any language can run in AppEngine, therefore this
should be obsolete (haven't checked details)

Post by Danny Tuppeny
App Engine's "standard environment" supports Python, Java, PHP and Go and
the "Flexible environment" says the "supported" languages are Python, Java,
Node.js, Go, Ruby, PHP, or .NET. Cloud Functions (beta) is nodejs only.
Given Dart's apparent popularity in Google (and the fact that it was
created by Google), it's weird to see Ruby, PHP and even .NET listed as
supported languages on a Google platform with Dart nowhere to be seen.
Dart seems like a natural fit for things like App Engine and Cloud
Functions! Are the reasons technical? political? Is Dart not Mature enough?
Is this likely to change anytime soon?

[Danny Tuppeny]

Post by Günter Zöchbauer
Not they promote that any language can run in AppEngine, therefore this
should be obsolete (haven't checked details)

I presume the ones listed are those with release SDKs. Dart is actually
listed here (hurrah!) though as "Early-stage" and "beta"; though it's not
totally clear what the status is.

https://developers.google.com/api-client-library/

Maybe Dart is on its way to an equal footing with .NET there :-)

[Matthew Butler]

While there's no first level language support for Dart in App Engine ( *sad
panda*) Dart does have a nice (if somewhat hidden) overview on using Dart
in the cloud.

https://dartlang.org/cloud

In particular it covers using Managed VMs and references appengine
libraries in Dart.

Post by Danny Tuppeny
App Engine's "standard environment" supports Python, Java, PHP and Go and
the "Flexible environment" says the "supported" languages are Python, Java,
Node.js, Go, Ruby, PHP, or .NET. Cloud Functions (beta) is nodejs only.
Given Dart's apparent popularity in Google (and the fact that it was
created by Google), it's weird to see Ruby, PHP and even .NET listed as
supported languages on a Google platform with Dart nowhere to be seen.
Dart seems like a natural fit for things like App Engine and Cloud
Functions! Are the reasons technical? political? Is Dart not Mature enough?
Is this likely to change anytime soon?

[m***@gmail.com]

Could not agree more with Danny Tuppeny.
Its unbeliavable how Google could become such a big corporation
being so bad in marketing.
Dart being everywhere is a key point to become a mainstream language.
Unless they changed their minds and donÂŽt want it anymore.