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[dart-misc] Is it possible to run dart2js dynamically in a dart server web app?
Danny Tuppeny
2016-04-15 07:46:52 UTC
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Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?

I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub package
I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this at
runtime :(

(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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Joel Trottier-Hébert
2016-04-15 15:50:49 UTC
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Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for would be
a dart2js Transformer.
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub package
I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this at
runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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Danny Tuppeny
2016-04-15 15:53:51 UTC
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That does it at build time; I want to do it dynamically at runtime from a
running Dart server app (eg. in Dart code, convert a string of Dart code
into a string or JavaScript).

Gunter pointed out <http://stackoverflow.com/a/36641355/25124> that the Try
Dart app already does this so I'm gonna dig into that to see how it works
when I get chance :)
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for would
be a dart2js Transformer.
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub
package I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this
at runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
2016-04-15 16:06:54 UTC
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There is a programmatic API which you can use to call dart2js dynamically.
This is how pub works. You can see how pub calls dart2js programmatically
here:
https://github.com/dart-lang/pub/blob/c1405b945c6d818c8cfe78334e8d4b11fd913103/lib/src/dart.dart

Hope that helps!
Post by Danny Tuppeny
That does it at build time; I want to do it dynamically at runtime from a
running Dart server app (eg. in Dart code, convert a string of Dart code
into a string or JavaScript).
Gunter pointed out <http://stackoverflow.com/a/36641355/25124> that the
Try Dart app already does this so I'm gonna dig into that to see how it
works when I get chance :)
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for would
be a dart2js Transformer.
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub
package I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this
at runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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Danny Tuppeny
2016-04-15 16:09:20 UTC
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Awesome, looks like exactly what I need. Thanks! :)

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 at 17:07 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc <
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
There is a programmatic API which you can use to call dart2js dynamically.
This is how pub works. You can see how pub calls dart2js programmatically
https://github.com/dart-lang/pub/blob/c1405b945c6d818c8cfe78334e8d4b11fd913103/lib/src/dart.dart
Hope that helps!
Post by Danny Tuppeny
That does it at build time; I want to do it dynamically at runtime from a
running Dart server app (eg. in Dart code, convert a string of Dart code
into a string or JavaScript).
Gunter pointed out <http://stackoverflow.com/a/36641355/25124> that the
Try Dart app already does this so I'm gonna dig into that to see how it
works when I get chance :)
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for would
be a dart2js Transformer.
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub
package I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this
at runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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Günter Zöchbauer
2016-04-16 16:37:42 UTC
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This seems to just call out to dart2js command line tool.
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
There is a programmatic API which you can use to call dart2js dynamically.
This is how pub works. You can see how pub calls dart2js programmatically
https://github.com/dart-lang/pub/blob/c1405b945c6d818c8cfe78334e8d4b11fd913103/lib/src/dart.dart
Hope that helps!
Post by Danny Tuppeny
That does it at build time; I want to do it dynamically at runtime from a
running Dart server app (eg. in Dart code, convert a string of Dart code
into a string or JavaScript).
Gunter pointed out <http://stackoverflow.com/a/36641355/25124> that the
Try Dart app already does this so I'm gonna dig into that to see how it
works when I get chance :)
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for would
be a dart2js Transformer.
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub
package I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this
at runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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Danny Tuppeny
2016-04-16 16:44:07 UTC
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Most of the examples I found (including dart-services, used by dartpad)
seem to just call the compiler_unsupported package (they don't executing it
as a process, but they're basically calling the same interface). Seems like
this is the most sensible thing for me to do, and lock the version because
the package name suggests the API may be volatile.

Haven't had chance to try it out because of complications getting pub
packages restored (not because of Dart/Pub, just the service I'm trying to
hack Dart support into...), but hoping to get to it over the next few days.
Post by Günter Zöchbauer
This seems to just call out to dart2js command line tool.
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
There is a programmatic API which you can use to call dart2js
dynamically. This is how pub works. You can see how pub calls dart2js
https://github.com/dart-lang/pub/blob/c1405b945c6d818c8cfe78334e8d4b11fd913103/lib/src/dart.dart
Hope that helps!
That does it at build time; I want to do it dynamically at runtime from a
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
Post by Danny Tuppeny
running Dart server app (eg. in Dart code, convert a string of Dart code
into a string or JavaScript).
Gunter pointed out <http://stackoverflow.com/a/36641355/25124> that the
Try Dart app already does this so I'm gonna dig into that to see how it
works when I get chance :)
Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for would
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
be a dart2js Transformer.
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
Post by Danny Tuppeny
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub
package I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this
at runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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'Devon Carew' via Dart Misc
2016-04-16 17:45:27 UTC
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dart-services does use compiler_unsupported to compile dart -> JS. That
package (compiler_unsupported) is just the source to dart2js. We could
shell out to the dart2js script to compile as well, but using the
compiler_unsupported
package lets us run dart2js as a long-running server process. When it
compiles something, all the resources it requires (like the sdk source)
have already been loaded, and the JIT has had plenty of time to work on the
dart2js source. We see a 2x to 2.5x performance improvement over just
shelling out to the command-line script.
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Most of the examples I found (including dart-services, used by dartpad)
seem to just call the compiler_unsupported package (they don't executing it
as a process, but they're basically calling the same interface). Seems like
this is the most sensible thing for me to do, and lock the version because
the package name suggests the API may be volatile.
Haven't had chance to try it out because of complications getting pub
packages restored (not because of Dart/Pub, just the service I'm trying to
hack Dart support into...), but hoping to get to it over the next few days.
Post by Günter Zöchbauer
This seems to just call out to dart2js command line tool.
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
There is a programmatic API which you can use to call dart2js
dynamically. This is how pub works. You can see how pub calls dart2js
https://github.com/dart-lang/pub/blob/c1405b945c6d818c8cfe78334e8d4b11fd913103/lib/src/dart.dart
Hope that helps!
That does it at build time; I want to do it dynamically at runtime from a
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
Post by Danny Tuppeny
running Dart server app (eg. in Dart code, convert a string of Dart code
into a string or JavaScript).
Gunter pointed out <http://stackoverflow.com/a/36641355/25124> that
the Try Dart app already does this so I'm gonna dig into that to see how it
works when I get chance :)
Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for would
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
be a dart2js Transformer.
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
Post by Danny Tuppeny
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub
package I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this
at runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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Danny Tuppeny
2016-04-16 17:52:07 UTC
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Thanks for the extra info! I hadn't considered the performance gains (I
mostly want to do it this way because my fs is readonly when I need to
convert the dart to JS), so this might work out better than expected (at
least until the platform gets native Dart support, which I'm hoping my
"experiments" will help with!).
Post by 'Devon Carew' via Dart Misc
dart-services does use compiler_unsupported to compile dart -> JS. That
package (compiler_unsupported) is just the source to dart2js. We could
shell out to the dart2js script to compile as well, but using the compiler_unsupported
package lets us run dart2js as a long-running server process. When it
compiles something, all the resources it requires (like the sdk source)
have already been loaded, and the JIT has had plenty of time to work on the
dart2js source. We see a 2x to 2.5x performance improvement over just
shelling out to the command-line script.
Post by Danny Tuppeny
Most of the examples I found (including dart-services, used by dartpad)
seem to just call the compiler_unsupported package (they don't executing it
as a process, but they're basically calling the same interface). Seems like
this is the most sensible thing for me to do, and lock the version because
the package name suggests the API may be volatile.
Haven't had chance to try it out because of complications getting pub
packages restored (not because of Dart/Pub, just the service I'm trying to
hack Dart support into...), but hoping to get to it over the next few days.
Post by Günter Zöchbauer
This seems to just call out to dart2js command line tool.
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
There is a programmatic API which you can use to call dart2js
dynamically. This is how pub works. You can see how pub calls dart2js
https://github.com/dart-lang/pub/blob/c1405b945c6d818c8cfe78334e8d4b11fd913103/lib/src/dart.dart
Hope that helps!
That does it at build time; I want to do it dynamically at runtime from
Post by 'Harry Terkelsen' via Dart Misc
a running Dart server app (eg. in Dart code, convert a string of Dart code
into a string or JavaScript).
Gunter pointed out <http://stackoverflow.com/a/36641355/25124> that
the Try Dart app already does this so I'm gonna dig into that to see how it
works when I get chance :)
Doesn't pub already do that? Also what you're probably looking for
would be a dart2js Transformer.
Is it possible to compile dart code to JS on-the-fly without invoking
Post by Danny Tuppeny
dart2js at the command line? Eg., (written in Dart) read in some dart code
from a file and transform it to JS (must be in memory, filesystem is not
writable)?
I thought maybe dart2js would effectively just be a cli over a pub
package I can call manually, but I can't find any information on doing this
at runtime :(
(note: I know this idea sucks and it'll be very slow; it's just for
something I'm prototyping and will ultimately use dart2js normally, I just
can't address that yet)
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