[dart-misc] Dart VM : under Chrome OS at least!

[Mayuresh Kathe]

Hi,

If this isn't the right mailing list for this discussion, would really
appreciate being pointed to the right one.

Looking at all the discussions about elimination of the Dart VM from
Chrome, and the "remote" possibility of project Sky succeeding (under
Android), would it at least be possible for the team(s) at Google to
consider embedding the Dart VM within Chrome OS at least?

It would be nice to have a decent language like Dart to write applications
for a great platform like Chrome OS.

Frankly, I really hate JavaScript and I am sure the same goes for most
others too.

Best,

~Mayuresh

[Jim Trainor]

It does seem like a good place for Google to experiment with Dart. For
example in Chrome OS developer mode, to showcase applications that can make
use of the increased performance.

Chrome OS is taking off in education. It has gone from unknown to the "go
to" computing solution very quickly for my own school age kids. In my
opinion It solves chronic practical problems with computing in elementary
age education. The ubiquity of the web applications the kids use is at the
root of what makes it so attractive ("dart for the entire web"!). They can
switch from a Chromebook at school to any computer they like at home with
almost no friction - and parents are not burdened with a request to buy an
expensive iPad just so the kids can use it run Safari and play games...
arrrggg. The kids had already made a de factor change to Google apps
anyways - whether the school wanted them to or not. They figured out that
that was the only thing that worked reliably on the computers at school and
at home. Now they can dispense with the out-dated "computer lab", put that
room to better use, and just distribute inexpensive Chromebooks to class
rooms, or bring their own inexpensive Chromebook or other laptop running
only a browser. This is possible because of high quality web applications
that are available everywhere. The role for improved development options
such as Dart, or Typescript, or any of the other *scripts, can only grow in
this environment. It won't be a winner take all situation such as unfolded
with Javascript. All these tools will improve and the applications that
emerge will follow that improvement.

[kc]

Post by Jim Trainor
It does seem like a good place for Google to experiment with Dart. For
example in Chrome OS developer mode, to showcase applications that can make
use of the increased performance.
Chrome OS is taking off in education. It has gone from unknown to the "go
to" computing solution very quickly for my own school age kids. In my
opinion It solves chronic practical problems with computing in elementary
age education. The ubiquity of the web applications the kids use is at the
root of what makes it so attractive ("dart for the entire web"!). They can
switch from a Chromebook at school to any computer they like at home with
almost no friction - and parents are not burdened with a request to buy an
expensive iPad just so the kids can use it run Safari and play games...
arrrggg. The kids had already made a de factor change to Google apps
anyways - whether the school wanted them to or not. They figured out that
that was the only thing that worked reliably on the computers at school and
at home. Now they can dispense with the out-dated "computer lab", put that
room to better use, and just distribute inexpensive Chromebooks to class
rooms, or bring their own inexpensive Chromebook or other laptop running
only a browser. This is possible because of high quality web applications
that are available everywhere. The role for improved development options
such as Dart, or Typescript, or any of the other *scripts, can only grow in
this environment. It won't be a winner take all situation such as unfolded
with Javascript. All these tools will improve and the applications that
emerge will follow that improvement.

Education was one of my prime reasons for interest in Dart.

Inexpensive but good Chromebooks/2in1s/tablets with a built-in
editor/ide/live programming environment and a simple but not not dumbed
down language. Basically the Smalltalk Dynabook vision come true.

Dart could have been the simple fun language which scaled up to complex
apps - so pedagogy met practicality.

K.

[John Derry]

Post by Mayuresh Kathe
It would be nice to have a decent language like Dart to write applications
for a great platform like Chrome OS.
Frankly, I really hate JavaScript and I am sure the same goes for most
others too.

Well that says it right there.

Still, I'm only trying to get Dartium to run in my Chromium OS and that is
already a challenge. I saw that the Dev Editor had support for dart, and
that sounds like fun...

Seems I have to dig into Chromium after all. I don't get it. I was just
beginning to accept the simplicity of it all!