[dart-misc] can dart do desktop apps

[Ali M]

I did search
And it seems the platforms targeted by dart are
mobile via flutter and web via dart angular

this seem to remain the same for dart2

but are there plans for flutter to target the desktop linux and windows
or is there any popular 3rd part library (i guess it would have appeared
in search if it was popular) for the desktop

thanks
Ali

[Joao Pedrosa]

Hi,

There are some projects experimenting with the idea of Flutter on the
Desktop. It's more likely
that these projects will see more traction on Linux and Mac than on Windows
though, because
Linux and Mac are development platforms for Google, whereas Windows is just
a deployment
platform that is seeing its use diminish over time. Google have stopped
developing many
projects for the Windows desktop over time like Picasa and so on,
preferring to move them
to the server side and mobile instead.

Google are trying to be very focused on their goals for the Dart and
Flutter projects. You should
trust what they say about their intentions. Think for example that Dart may
be focused on 64 bit
platforms. That would leave out backward compatibility with 32 bit
platforms. It is true that 32 bit
is outdated though. That is an example that Google are trying to aim these
projects at the future.
And the desktop is a big reminder of the past, by comparison.

Google have been investing in a new operating system called Fuchsia. It is
more likely that you
will see Flutter getting used on this Fuchsia OS instead.

On the desktops you may have to resort to emulators. You could target
mobile and/or Fuchsia
and use emulators on Windows for example.

We cannot compare Dart and Flutter to other projects like NodeJS, Electron,
etc. I don't think
Google want to recreate those platforms in Dart per se. Google are already
committing a lot
by supporting Flutter. As those bug reports on the Flutter project are a
reminder of. Now, Google
are more than fine with the community coming up with new projects based on
Dart and Flutter
if they want to. But the way I see is that most people will be waiting till
these projects are stable
again. (i.e. take backward compatibility seriously.)

Cheers,
Joao

Post by Ali M
I did search
And it seems the platforms targeted by dart are
mobile via flutter and web via dart angular
this seem to remain the same for dart2
but are there plans for flutter to target the desktop linux and windows
or is there any popular 3rd part library (i guess it would have appeared
in search if it was popular) for the desktop
thanks
Ali
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[Anatoly Pulyaevskiy]

The most promising experiment today is
https://github.com/google/flutter-desktop-embedding

It is an experiment at this point and doesn’t include much. But it’s a good
starting point for anyone willing to explore this area.

Post by Joao Pedrosa
Hi,
There are some projects experimenting with the idea of Flutter on the
Desktop. It's more likely
that these projects will see more traction on Linux and Mac than on
Windows though, because
Linux and Mac are development platforms for Google, whereas Windows is
just a deployment
platform that is seeing its use diminish over time. Google have stopped
developing many
projects for the Windows desktop over time like Picasa and so on,
preferring to move them
to the server side and mobile instead.
Google are trying to be very focused on their goals for the Dart and
Flutter projects. You should
trust what they say about their intentions. Think for example that Dart
may be focused on 64 bit
platforms. That would leave out backward compatibility with 32 bit
platforms. It is true that 32 bit
is outdated though. That is an example that Google are trying to aim these
projects at the future.
And the desktop is a big reminder of the past, by comparison.
Google have been investing in a new operating system called Fuchsia. It is
more likely that you
will see Flutter getting used on this Fuchsia OS instead.
On the desktops you may have to resort to emulators. You could target
mobile and/or Fuchsia
and use emulators on Windows for example.
We cannot compare Dart and Flutter to other projects like NodeJS,
Electron, etc. I don't think
Google want to recreate those platforms in Dart per se. Google are already
committing a lot
by supporting Flutter. As those bug reports on the Flutter project are a
reminder of. Now, Google
are more than fine with the community coming up with new projects based on
Dart and Flutter
if they want to. But the way I see is that most people will be waiting
till these projects are stable
again. (i.e. take backward compatibility seriously.)
Cheers,
Joao

Post by Ali M
I did search
And it seems the platforms targeted by dart are
mobile via flutter and web via dart angular
this seem to remain the same for dart2
but are there plans for flutter to target the desktop linux and windows
or is there any popular 3rd part library (i guess it would have appeared
in search if it was popular) for the desktop
thanks
Ali
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[Tobe Osakwe]

Another option is using Dart within Electron. With build_runner and DDC,
you can get pretty nice incremental builds for a nice dev experience
without all the webpack concerns. Along with package:node_interop, you’re
more or less set.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 11:53 AM Anatoly Pulyaevskiy <

Post by Anatoly Pulyaevskiy
The most promising experiment today is
https://github.com/google/flutter-desktop-embedding
It is an experiment at this point and doesn’t include much. But it’s a
good starting point for anyone willing to explore this area.

Post by Joao Pedrosa
Hi,
There are some projects experimenting with the idea of Flutter on the
Desktop. It's more likely
that these projects will see more traction on Linux and Mac than on
Windows though, because
Linux and Mac are development platforms for Google, whereas Windows is
just a deployment
platform that is seeing its use diminish over time. Google have stopped
developing many
projects for the Windows desktop over time like Picasa and so on,
preferring to move them
to the server side and mobile instead.
Google are trying to be very focused on their goals for the Dart and
Flutter projects. You should
trust what they say about their intentions. Think for example that Dart
may be focused on 64 bit
platforms. That would leave out backward compatibility with 32 bit
platforms. It is true that 32 bit
is outdated though. That is an example that Google are trying to aim
these projects at the future.
And the desktop is a big reminder of the past, by comparison.
Google have been investing in a new operating system called Fuchsia. It
is more likely that you
will see Flutter getting used on this Fuchsia OS instead.
On the desktops you may have to resort to emulators. You could target
mobile and/or Fuchsia
and use emulators on Windows for example.
We cannot compare Dart and Flutter to other projects like NodeJS,
Electron, etc. I don't think
Google want to recreate those platforms in Dart per se. Google are
already committing a lot
by supporting Flutter. As those bug reports on the Flutter project are a
reminder of. Now, Google
are more than fine with the community coming up with new projects based
on Dart and Flutter
if they want to. But the way I see is that most people will be waiting
till these projects are stable
again. (i.e. take backward compatibility seriously.)
Cheers,
Joao

Post by Ali M
I did search
And it seems the platforms targeted by dart are
mobile via flutter and web via dart angular
this seem to remain the same for dart2
but are there plans for flutter to target the desktop linux and windows
or is there any popular 3rd part library (i guess it would have
appeared in search if it was popular) for the desktop
thanks
Ali
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