[dart-misc] This week's DEP meeting notes

['Bob Nystrom' via Dart Misc]

Hot off the presses!

https://github.com/dart-lang/dart_enhancement_proposals/blob/master/Meetings/2015-06-03%20DEP%20Committee%20Meeting.md

Cheers!

- bob

[Will Squire]

Generic methods :) . Yey...

Post by 'Bob Nystrom' via Dart Misc
Hot off the presses!
https://github.com/dart-lang/dart_enhancement_proposals/blob/master/Meetings/2015-06-03%20DEP%20Committee%20Meeting.md
Cheers!
- bob

[kc]

Re process - the C# teams Work List approach is good as it gives visibility
of what they consider important and may implement:

https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/issues/2136

Disappointing that things like this are on the back burner:

const lst = const [const Point(1,1), const Point(2,2)];


It's 'strategic' in that if Sky and/or Fletch go somewhere a new set of
potential users may check Dart out. Don't think they will be overly
impressed.

K.

Post by 'Bob Nystrom' via Dart Misc
Hot off the presses!
https://github.com/dart-lang/dart_enhancement_proposals/blob/master/Meetings/2015-06-03%20DEP%20Committee%20Meeting.md
Cheers!
- bob

[Alex Tatumizer]

... if Sky and/or Fletch go somewhere ...

This is a big "if", but if this "if" materializes, I think it would be a
good idea to rename the language (which also provides a chance to fix most
obnoxious problems).
Right now, this unfortunate "lingua franca" label might do no good in terms
of language popularity IMO. As soon as the language is renamed the
association will go away.

[kc]

Post by Alex Tatumizer

... if Sky and/or Fletch go somewhere ...

This is a big "if", but if this "if" materializes, I think it would be a
good idea to rename the language (which also provides a chance to fix most
obnoxious problems).
Right now, this unfortunate "lingua franca" label might do no good in
terms of language popularity IMO. As soon as the language is renamed the
association will go away.

Fix problems - makes sense to do this in a version 2.0 and relaunch with
Sky/Fletch imo.

Rename is a bit extreme - the core idea of fixing and simplifying
fundamental runtime semantics was good.

But the Dart project seems unable to effectively communicate and sell it's
core language and VM design. Too much of a black box even with the
foot-dragging Potemkin DEP process. Developers can sense the lack of
genuine openness at the top.

K.

[Alex Tatumizer]

In Fletch, the effort is under way to rewrite the whole standard library. I
don't know what the purpose of rewrite is, but if it's to eliminate, say,
OneByteString, it would already worth it. This was a horrible idea -
OneByteStrings spread like cancer through entire codebase, it was painful
to watch.
As for sky/mojo - the latter has 500 authors. I expect a kludge of epic
proportions. Looks like another Library of Babel. Will be glad to be
proven wrong.

[Jim Trainor]

Github's domokit/mojo pulse shows 34 authors over the last month. Where
does the 500 number come from?

Post by Alex Tatumizer
In Fletch, the effort is under way to rewrite the whole standard library.
I don't know what the purpose of rewrite is, but if it's to eliminate, say,
OneByteString, it would already worth it. This was a horrible idea -
OneByteStrings spread like cancer through entire codebase, it was painful
to watch.
As for sky/mojo - the latter has 500 authors. I expect a kludge of epic
proportions. Looks like another Library of Babel. Will be glad to be
proven wrong.
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[Alex Tatumizer]

https://github.com/domokit/mojo/blob/master/AUTHORS

[Jim Trainor]

I'm assuming that that authors list is the accumulated history of chromium
contributors to date. Not really representative of the sky project per se.

Post by Alex Tatumizer
https://github.com/domokit/mojo/blob/master/AUTHORS
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