[dart-misc] Open Source options for Dart Web app development?

[venkata munnangi]

Hello all,

I have looked into multiple options for a developer who wants to use a free
IDE for development (Particularly, Dartium Web app development).

*Requirements:*
- I am able to debug into dart code within the dartEditor.
- I am able to run the dart code with minimal effort (Add a run
configuration and run it)

Here are the things that looked into:
- Atom - I was not able debug my dart code within my editor itself or Lack
of documentation for running Dartium apps
- Eclipse plugin - It only works until Dart sdk verison 1.12 and Chromium
1.12


Can anyone point me towards a direction that can help me satisfy my
requirements?

Thanks

[Lex Berezhny]

IntelliJ Community edition is open source and the dart plugin for intellij
is also open source.

Does that meet your requirements?

Post by venkata munnangi
Hello all,
I have looked into multiple options for a developer who wants to use a
free IDE for development (Particularly, Dartium Web app development).
*Requirements:*
- I am able to debug into dart code within the dartEditor.
- I am able to run the dart code with minimal effort (Add a run
configuration and run it)
- Atom - I was not able debug my dart code within my editor itself or
Lack of documentation for running Dartium apps
- Eclipse plugin - It only works until Dart sdk verison 1.12 and Chromium
1.12
Can anyone point me towards a direction that can help me satisfy my
requirements?
Thanks
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[venkata munnangi]

I have tried that option as well. After sometime, I realized I cannot run
dartium web apps on IntelliJ community edition 14.1
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30205650/how-to-debug-a-dart-client-side-application-using-intellij-idea-community-editio

Post by Lex Berezhny
IntelliJ Community edition is open source and the dart plugin for intellij
is also open source.
Does that meet your requirements?
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:55 PM, venkata munnangi <

Post by venkata munnangi
Hello all,
I have looked into multiple options for a developer who wants to use a
free IDE for development (Particularly, Dartium Web app development).
*Requirements:*
- I am able to debug into dart code within the dartEditor.
- I am able to run the dart code with minimal effort (Add a run
configuration and run it)
- Atom - I was not able debug my dart code within my editor itself or
Lack of documentation for running Dartium apps
- Eclipse plugin - It only works until Dart sdk verison 1.12 and
Chromium 1.12
Can anyone point me towards a direction that can help me satisfy my
requirements?
Thanks
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[Lex Berezhny]

For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​

[Joel Trottier-Hébert]

This is what I do for debugging. Dartium's debugger is awesome.

Post by Lex Berezhny
For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​
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[Don Olmstead]

Honestly getting a copy of WebStorm is pretty cheap compared to other IDEs.
The EAP version is also available but it expires. You could try that and
then decide if you want to buy.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Joel Trottier-Hébert <

Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
This is what I do for debugging. Dartium's debugger is awesome.

Post by Lex Berezhny
For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​
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[Jim Trainor]

I use the Eclipse plugin with Dart SDK + Dartium 1.14. Occasionally it
stops resolving Dart declarations. That’s the only problem I experience.

I mainly use WebStorm and switch over to Eclipse only occasionally at this
point, however, so maybe I’m missing something.

Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?

I noticed the Eclipse plugin is not on the tools
<https://www.dartlang.org/tools/> page. The repository
<http://storage.googleapis.com/dart-archive/channels/stable/release/latest/editor-eclipse-update/index.html>
still exists, however.

I think I’d use the emacs plugin if I needed something free and Eclipse
wasn’t working.


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Joel Trottier-Hébert <

Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
This is what I do for debugging. Dartium's debugger is awesome.

Post by Lex Berezhny
For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​
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[venkata munnangi]

Thanks everyone for replying!

*Dartium debugger: *I have only used it for unit tests which was a pain to
have a debugger. Atleast with the unit tests, you have to setup your
breakpoints each run. *I still consider it as a second class solution.*
*Repository Eclipse Plugin+ Dart Plugin: *Here, I was able to run the dart
IDE up and running. But I couldn't make the breakpoints work with the
latest dartsdk + dartium. Since, It has been discontinued it might not be a
great solution

*Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?*
I was referring to this plugin https://github.com/dart-lang/eclipse3 and
when you are installing it within your eclipse app it shows that the editor
version is 1.12.

*Webstorm/IntelliJ Ultimate: *I have used this editor and I cannot deny the
number of features it offers But, If am a new dart developer( or a company
that wants to use dart), then encouraging the developer to buy a new
product is not as attractive compared to other languages.

I really appreciate the amount of work thats done with the language which
is slowly meeting high expectations. I would really appreciate if there is
an alternative free/open-source platform(IDE) that will attract developers
to create web apps.

Post by Jim Trainor
I use the Eclipse plugin with Dart SDK + Dartium 1.14. Occasionally it
stops resolving Dart declarations. That’s the only problem I experience.
I mainly use WebStorm and switch over to Eclipse only occasionally at this
point, however, so maybe I’m missing something.
Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?
I noticed the Eclipse plugin is not on the tools
<https://www.dartlang.org/tools/> page. The repository
<http://storage.googleapis.com/dart-archive/channels/stable/release/latest/editor-eclipse-update/index.html>
still exists, however.
I think I’d use the emacs plugin if I needed something free and Eclipse
wasn’t working.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Joel Trottier-Hébert <

Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
This is what I do for debugging. Dartium's debugger is awesome.

Post by Lex Berezhny
For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​
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[Daniel Danilatos]

The eclipse version was great, and I continue to use it. I tried switching
to intellij, but its dart capabilities seem more limited, it is buggier,
and difficult to set up properly. I wish the eclipse version wasn't
discontinued.

Post by venkata munnangi
Thanks everyone for replying!
*Dartium debugger: *I have only used it for unit tests which was a pain
to have a debugger. Atleast with the unit tests, you have to setup your
breakpoints each run. *I still consider it as a second class solution.*
*Repository Eclipse Plugin+ Dart Plugin: *Here, I was able to run the
dart IDE up and running. But I couldn't make the breakpoints work with the
latest dartsdk + dartium. Since, It has been discontinued it might not be a
great solution
*Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?*
I was referring to this plugin https://github.com/dart-lang/eclipse3 and
when you are installing it within your eclipse app it shows that the editor
version is 1.12.
*Webstorm/IntelliJ Ultimate: *I have used this editor and I cannot deny
the number of features it offers But, If am a new dart developer( or a
company that wants to use dart), then encouraging the developer to buy a
new product is not as attractive compared to other languages.
I really appreciate the amount of work thats done with the language which
is slowly meeting high expectations. I would really appreciate if there is
an alternative free/open-source platform(IDE) that will attract developers
to create web apps.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jim Trainor <

Post by Jim Trainor
I use the Eclipse plugin with Dart SDK + Dartium 1.14. Occasionally it
stops resolving Dart declarations. That’s the only problem I experience.
I mainly use WebStorm and switch over to Eclipse only occasionally at
this point, however, so maybe I’m missing something.
Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?
I noticed the Eclipse plugin is not on the tools
<https://www.dartlang.org/tools/> page. The repository
<http://storage.googleapis.com/dart-archive/channels/stable/release/latest/editor-eclipse-update/index.html>
still exists, however.
I think I’d use the emacs plugin if I needed something free and Eclipse
wasn’t working.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Joel Trottier-Hébert <

Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
This is what I do for debugging. Dartium's debugger is awesome.

Post by Lex Berezhny
For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​
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[seb mitchell]

Would be good to get away from tools that require java.

The Atom editor has plugins for dart, flutter and dartium.

Are dev using atom for dart?


I'm a chromeos fan, no that the chrome dev editor is dead, wonder how kids
in using chromebook,
would develope in dart without going into developer mode.

Maybe a version of dartpad that supports libraries and requires a login.

thanks

[Günter Zöchbauer]

That's a current limitation of Dart and the test package not of the Dartium
debugger (it's currently being worked on to get this fixed AFAIK).

You can easily work around by creating a copy of your tests HTML file and
use the test Dart script as normal script tag instead of <link rel="
x-dart-test" href="custom_html_test.dart"> and run this HTML in Dartium
instead of the original file during development.

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 10:23:00 PM UTC+1, venkata munnangi

Post by venkata munnangi
Thanks everyone for replying!
*Dartium debugger: *I have only used it for unit tests which was a pain
to have a debugger. Atleast with the unit tests, you have to setup your
breakpoints each run. *I still consider it as a second class solution.*
*Repository Eclipse Plugin+ Dart Plugin: *Here, I was able to run the
dart IDE up and running. But I couldn't make the breakpoints work with the
latest dartsdk + dartium. Since, It has been discontinued it might not be a
great solution
*Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?*
I was referring to this plugin https://github.com/dart-lang/eclipse3 and
when you are installing it within your eclipse app it shows that the editor
version is 1.12.
*Webstorm/IntelliJ Ultimate: *I have used this editor and I cannot deny
the number of features it offers But, If am a new dart developer( or a
company that wants to use dart), then encouraging the developer to buy a
new product is not as attractive compared to other languages.
I really appreciate the amount of work thats done with the language which
is slowly meeting high expectations. I would really appreciate if there is
an alternative free/open-source platform(IDE) that will attract developers
to create web apps.

Post by Jim Trainor
I use the Eclipse plugin with Dart SDK + Dartium 1.14. Occasionally it
stops resolving Dart declarations. That’s the only problem I experience.
I mainly use WebStorm and switch over to Eclipse only occasionally at
this point, however, so maybe I’m missing something.
Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?
I noticed the Eclipse plugin is not on the tools
<https://www.dartlang.org/tools/> page. The repository
<http://storage.googleapis.com/dart-archive/channels/stable/release/latest/editor-eclipse-update/index.html>
still exists, however.
I think I’d use the emacs plugin if I needed something free and Eclipse
wasn’t working.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Joel Trottier-Hébert <

Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
This is what I do for debugging. Dartium's debugger is awesome.

Post by Lex Berezhny
For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​
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[Günter Zöchbauer]

There is also the Observatory debugger included in the server and browser
VM.

Post by Günter Zöchbauer
That's a current limitation of Dart and the test package not of the
Dartium debugger (it's currently being worked on to get this fixed AFAIK).
You can easily work around by creating a copy of your tests HTML file and
use the test Dart script as normal script tag instead of <link rel="
x-dart-test" href="custom_html_test.dart"> and run this HTML in Dartium
instead of the original file during development.
On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 10:23:00 PM UTC+1, venkata munnangi

Post by venkata munnangi
Thanks everyone for replying!
*Dartium debugger: *I have only used it for unit tests which was a pain
to have a debugger. Atleast with the unit tests, you have to setup your
breakpoints each run. *I still consider it as a second class solution.*
*Repository Eclipse Plugin+ Dart Plugin: *Here, I was able to run the
dart IDE up and running. But I couldn't make the breakpoints work with the
latest dartsdk + dartium. Since, It has been discontinued it might not be a
great solution
*Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?*
I was referring to this plugin https://github.com/dart-lang/eclipse3 and
when you are installing it within your eclipse app it shows that the editor
version is 1.12.
*Webstorm/IntelliJ Ultimate: *I have used this editor and I cannot deny
the number of features it offers But, If am a new dart developer( or a
company that wants to use dart), then encouraging the developer to buy a
new product is not as attractive compared to other languages.
I really appreciate the amount of work thats done with the language which
is slowly meeting high expectations. I would really appreciate if there is
an alternative free/open-source platform(IDE) that will attract developers
to create web apps.

Post by Jim Trainor
I use the Eclipse plugin with Dart SDK + Dartium 1.14. Occasionally it
stops resolving Dart declarations. That’s the only problem I experience.
I mainly use WebStorm and switch over to Eclipse only occasionally at
this point, however, so maybe I’m missing something.
Where is the Eclipse plugin 1.12 limitation documented?
I noticed the Eclipse plugin is not on the tools
<https://www.dartlang.org/tools/> page. The repository
<http://storage.googleapis.com/dart-archive/channels/stable/release/latest/editor-eclipse-update/index.html>
still exists, however.
I think I’d use the emacs plugin if I needed something free and Eclipse
wasn’t working.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Joel Trottier-Hébert <

Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
This is what I do for debugging. Dartium's debugger is awesome.

Post by Lex Berezhny
For web development I find the built-in Dart debugger in Dartium to be
pretty good if not better than the ones in the different IDEs. Have you
tried debugging your Dart code natively in Dartium?​
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[Joel Trottier-Hébert]

I'm not even sure you can run the debugger in intellij community.

What I personally do though, is I have Intellij Ultimate EAP which doesn't
require a license. I just keep it updated (it's in my package manager on
Arch)

Post by Lex Berezhny
IntelliJ Community edition is open source and the dart plugin for intellij
is also open source.
Does that meet your requirements?
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:55 PM, venkata munnangi <

Post by venkata munnangi
Hello all,
I have looked into multiple options for a developer who wants to use a
free IDE for development (Particularly, Dartium Web app development).
*Requirements:*
- I am able to debug into dart code within the dartEditor.
- I am able to run the dart code with minimal effort (Add a run
configuration and run it)
- Atom - I was not able debug my dart code within my editor itself or
Lack of documentation for running Dartium apps
- Eclipse plugin - It only works until Dart sdk verison 1.12 and
Chromium 1.12
Can anyone point me towards a direction that can help me satisfy my
requirements?
Thanks
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[venkata munnangi]

How hard would it be for a developer to maintain the dart Eclipse plugin?

The current plugin's editor version is at 1.12, But the chromium and Dart
sdk versions are at 1.14+

https://github.com/dart-lang/eclipse3


On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 11:04:25 AM UTC-8, Joel Trottier-Hébert

Post by Joel Trottier-Hébert
I'm not even sure you can run the debugger in intellij community.
What I personally do though, is I have Intellij Ultimate EAP which doesn't
require a license. I just keep it updated (it's in my package manager on
Arch)

Post by Lex Berezhny
IntelliJ Community edition is open source and the dart plugin for
intellij is also open source.
Does that meet your requirements?

Post by venkata munnangi
Hello all,
I have looked into multiple options for a developer who wants to use a
free IDE for development (Particularly, Dartium Web app development).
*Requirements:*
- I am able to debug into dart code within the dartEditor.
- I am able to run the dart code with minimal effort (Add a run
configuration and run it)
- Atom - I was not able debug my dart code within my editor itself or
Lack of documentation for running Dartium apps
- Eclipse plugin - It only works until Dart sdk verison 1.12 and
Chromium 1.12
Can anyone point me towards a direction that can help me satisfy my
requirements?
Thanks
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